Дай бог, чтобы другое получилось. Но чужую проблему, доставшуюся в наследство, ему будут припоминать - с этими горцами сладить сложно. Если даже они сами с собой ничего сделать не могут, куда там Обаме.
No, it was not predictable, not quite. Too little attention was being paid to Afghanistan. In fact, Obama was the one who started paying any attention. As to why he wanted to be the President - search me.
Насчет афганца, которого "нельзя обучить ничему сложнее ..." - это блестяще. Против этих партизан в онучах - вся мощь космической науки и техники, от кевларовых шлемов до кибер-Жнецов с хелфайрами, и пш........ "Требуется подкрепление." Уже который год.
У нас в Беларуси тоже вот такие простецы с вываренным из мин толом поезда спускали, да гауляйтеров взрывали, а сверхчеловеки могли в ответ только окружить деревню и сжечь всех с детьми.
Ситуация с Вьетнамом действительно не схожа - вьетконгу массово помогал Север, Китай и Союз. Когда Б-52 летели бомбить их лагеря подготовки на Севере - их сбивали советские ПВО и советские Миги. А какие страны помогают сунитам-талибам? Шиитский Иран? Тем не менее ситуация развивается удивительно похоже. Как бы Обаме не в войти в историю вторым Джонсоном.
По поводу сходства с советским периодом в афгане - процитирую статью из WsJ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125831141804049337.html
..Afghans who compare the two campaigns acknowledge the differences, yet argue that these aren't always in America's favor. An examination of this debate over the Soviet experience offers an insight into what American troops are up against -- and the issues President Obama must weigh as he decides the course of an unpopular and costly war he didn't start.
Yet many Afghans, including some other cabinet ministers, are drawing parallels between the two foreign interventions, and the comparisons are not always this flattering. In Afghanistan's dusty capital, dotted with blast barriers, talk of democracy is hard to square with widespread ballot-stuffing during Mr. Karzai's recent re-election. As for rebuilding, the middle classes here still aspire to live in Soviet-built neighborhoods of decayed housing blocks that would be an eyesore elsewhere but are luxurious by Afghan standards. Despite billions in U.S. aid since 2001 spent on roads, clinics and schools, there is little comparably prominent evidence of American reconstruction.
"What have the Americans done so far? They're only busy building their own military bases," said Mohammad Nassim, a 40-year-old Kabul resident, airing a frequently heard opinion.
In the 1980s, hundreds of Soviet civilian families lived in Kabul without much protection. Today, almost all Westerners here live behind in walled and guarded compounds and guesthouses. "Believe me, I miss those days of peace and security," said Hussain Jawad, a 48-year-old Kabul shopkeeper, of the Soviet period.
Against all predictions, after the last Soviet soldier left in February 1989, Mr. Najibullah's government, instead of collapsing, went on the offensive. Scoring key victories against the rebels, it outlived the Soviet Union, unraveling only when Russian-supplied food and weapons ran out. Absent continuing American aid for the guerrillas, it could have remained in power much longer, many former mujahedeen say.
Few in Kabul expect the Karzai government would display similar longevity should Western forces go home. "Najibullah had the support of a strong and well-equipped Afghan army, air force and intelligence, and of a strong party," said Mohammed Mohaqeq, a powerful former mujahedeen commander who is a parliament member and a Karzai supporter. "I don't think we can even compare these two governments to each other."
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Date: 2009-12-10 05:05 am (UTC)Was not this development predictable?
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Date: 2009-12-10 01:50 pm (UTC)As to why he wanted to be the President - search me.
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Date: 2009-12-15 01:50 pm (UTC)У нас в Беларуси тоже вот такие простецы с вываренным из мин толом поезда спускали, да гауляйтеров взрывали, а сверхчеловеки могли в ответ только окружить деревню и сжечь всех с детьми.
Ситуация с Вьетнамом действительно не схожа - вьетконгу массово помогал Север, Китай и Союз. Когда Б-52 летели бомбить их лагеря подготовки на Севере - их сбивали советские ПВО и советские Миги. А какие страны помогают сунитам-талибам? Шиитский Иран? Тем не менее ситуация развивается удивительно похоже. Как бы Обаме не в войти в историю вторым Джонсоном.
По поводу сходства с советским периодом в афгане - процитирую статью из WsJ
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125831141804049337.html
..Afghans who compare the two campaigns acknowledge the differences, yet argue that these aren't always in America's favor. An examination of this debate over the Soviet experience offers an insight into what American troops are up against -- and the issues President Obama must weigh as he decides the course of an unpopular and costly war he didn't start.
Yet many Afghans, including some other cabinet ministers, are drawing parallels between the two foreign interventions, and the comparisons are not always this flattering.
In Afghanistan's dusty capital, dotted with blast barriers, talk of democracy is hard to square with widespread ballot-stuffing during Mr. Karzai's recent re-election. As for rebuilding, the middle classes here still aspire to live in Soviet-built neighborhoods of decayed housing blocks that would be an eyesore elsewhere but are luxurious by Afghan standards. Despite billions in U.S. aid since 2001 spent on roads, clinics and schools, there is little comparably prominent evidence of American reconstruction.
"What have the Americans done so far? They're only busy building their own military bases," said Mohammad Nassim, a 40-year-old Kabul resident, airing a frequently heard opinion.
In the 1980s, hundreds of Soviet civilian families lived in Kabul without much protection. Today, almost all Westerners here live behind in walled and guarded compounds and guesthouses. "Believe me, I miss those days of peace and security," said Hussain Jawad, a 48-year-old Kabul shopkeeper, of the Soviet period.
Against all predictions, after the last Soviet soldier left in February 1989, Mr. Najibullah's government, instead of collapsing, went on the offensive. Scoring key victories against the rebels, it outlived the Soviet Union, unraveling only when Russian-supplied food and weapons ran out. Absent continuing American aid for the guerrillas, it could have remained in power much longer, many former mujahedeen say.
Few in Kabul expect the Karzai government would display similar longevity should Western forces go home. "Najibullah had the support of a strong and well-equipped Afghan army, air force and intelligence, and of a strong party," said Mohammed Mohaqeq, a powerful former mujahedeen commander who is a parliament member and a Karzai supporter. "I don't think we can even compare these two governments to each other."